Hello Beck! So good to find you, find your blog, I didn't forget you, even after getting a few invitations these last few weeks, so I finally made it here! I just took a look around, the sight looks nice! I haven't done anything in my profile yet, still reading and looking around the place.
Hope all is well with you,
the "old" nomadie!
Monday, March 30, 2009
Tuesday, March 17, 2009
Hate:Religion,Politics,Ideology? Or People of the Lie?
EXCERPTS FROM"PEOPLE OF THE LIE"
by M. Scott Peck MD
Page 69: "The central defect of 'the evil' is not the sin but the refusal to acknowledge it. More often than not these people will be looked at as solid citizens. How can that be? How can they be evil and not designated as criminals? The key word is "designated". They are criminals in that they commit "crimes" against life and liveliness. But except in rare instances- such as in the case of Hitler when they might achieve extraordinary degrees of political power that remove them from ordinary restraints, their "crimes are so subtle and covert that they cannot clearly be designated as crimes. The theme of hiding and covertness will occur again and again throughout the rest of this book. It is the basis for the title "People of the Lie"."
Page 129 "Evil people would be distinguished by these traits:
a) Consistent destructive, scapegoating behavior, which may often be quite subtle
b) Excessive, albeit usually covert, intolerance to criticism and other forms of narcissistic injury
c) Pronounced concern with a public image and self-image of respectability, contributing to a stability of lifestyle but also to pretentiousness and denial of hateful feelings or vengeful motives.
d) intellectual deviousness, with an increased likelihood of a mild schizophrenic like disturbance of thinking at times of stress."
d) intellectual deviousness, with an increased likelihood of a mild schizophrenic like disturbance of thinking at times of stress."
http://www.amazon.com/People-Lie-Hope-Healing-Human/dp/0684848597 ...................................................................................................
As emersontwain, on the Vine, 
I have been able to travel places that would be beyond my reach and possibly beyond my physical or emotional courage in my every day world. Sometimes it feels like I am like Dante, getting the tour of Hell....
" Don't share the kindness, wealth, Share the Misery and Self hatred and fear."
The mirror stuff in any lie. If I accuse you, this is what I am doing, being, trying to get away with etc. I have noticed that if you allow a liar to talk long enough, and listen well, they will tell you the truth but it will be inverted.
Haters fear everyone is out to get them, plan ways to destroy 'those terds' Do they kill others and then with no one else to left to blame, kill themselves? Or do they think their life now has meaning because they made extra points by taking other's with them? Is it really about hate, evil self - centeredness, hate of oneself being attached to another because one is unwilling to fix themselves?
First comes; 'I am and you Aren't.' Envy, hate, lust,greed...the desire to hurt someone. Then, comes the rational. Tim McVey was no philosopher, nor Oswald, nor Bin Laden, et al.. What does politics, religion, ideology have to do with any of it? I think it is just a smoke screen of someone trying to justify their own misery and self-hatred. A way fo avoiding their own responsibility.
Might as well argue with the guy on the TV screen as try to communicate with someone who's only agenda is their own survival. Like trying to save someone who is drowning and getting pulled down and drowning with them.
W. Scott Peck,MD :People of the Lie.
A book worth reading to help us understand that sick pressure in our gut and confusion when dealing with some people. It is a survival instinct we have learned to ignore in the interest of civility. No need to use a club to defend oneself from evil, just get away and stay away. And remember, they can only harm you if you 'invite them in'. Like Vampires, and Devils.
I do not believe the talking heads on TV or the self aggrandizing authors who contribute their warped opinions as fact on the Blogs , who provide the talking points and excuses for the haters, are not aware of what they are doing. They are motivated by the same ugliness as the people they inspire to do harm and violence to the 'others'. They like their power based on pride, envy and greed. They are the puppet-masters. They revel in their influence and laugh at the saps that make them rich and/or feed their ever hungry ego.
I wish we could take up a collection and find some lovely island for each and all them to go to be 'safe' from all the others. Where they could only associate with their own 'kind'. Not just the usual trip wire camp, or compound, but a lovely tropical island where all their wants would be met. Now that way, justice might be served.
Other Books by M.Scott Peck MD
A Road Less Traveled, Glimpses of the Devil, A World Waiting to Be Born......
A Road Less Traveled, Glimpses of the Devil, A World Waiting to Be Born......
Sunday, March 15, 2009
A wise person once said...
Never discourage anyone who continually makes progress, no matter how slow.
Aristotle
Flatter me, and I may not believe you. Criticize me, and I may not like you. Ignore me, and I may not forgive you. Encourage me, and I may not forget you.
William Arthur
We are here on earth to do good for others. What the others are here for, I don't know. W. H. Auden
Learn to self-conquest, persevere thus for a time, and you will perceive very clearly the advantage which you gain from it.
St. Teresa of Avila
It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
Alfred Adler
The scars you acquire by exercising courage will never make you feel inferior.
D.A. Battista
Big egos are big shields for lots of empty space.
Diana Black
The greatest dangers of liberty lurk in insidious encroachment of men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.
Louis D. Brandeis
We say we waste time, but that is impossible. We waste ourselves.
Alice Bloch
William Blake
You never know what is enough until you know what is more than enough.
It is easier to forgive an enemy than to forgive a friend.
None will improve your lot if you yourself do not.
Bertolt Brecht
Take away love, and our earth is a tomb.
Robert Browning
Bad habits are like chains that are too light to feel until they are too heavy to carry.
Warren Buffet
You can make more friends in two months by becoming interested in other people than you can in two years by trying to get other people interested in you.
Dale Carnegie
He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave.
Andrew Carnegie
Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance.
G. K. Chesterton
In detachment lies the wisdom of uncertainty... in the wisdom of uncertainty lies the freedom from our past, from the known, which is the prison of past conditioning. And in our willingness to step into the unknown, the field of all possibilities, we surrender ourselves to the creative mind that orchestrates the dance of the universe.
Deepak Chopra
Sir Winston Churchill
People stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened.
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
There are no uninteresting things, only uninterested people.
Gilbert K. Chesterton
There are two types of people: Those who come into a room and say, "Well, here I am!", and those who say, "Ah, there you are".
Frederick L. Collins
Confucius
Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
When you see a good man, try to emulate his example, and when you see a bad man, search yourself for his faults.
It is not the failure of others to appreciate your abilities that should trouble you, but rather your failure to appreciate theirs.
James Cowan
When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself.
Wayne Dyer
Use what talent you possess: the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except those that sang best. Henry Van Dyke
Meister Eckhart
I have sought earnestly and with great diligence that good and high virtue by which man may draw closest to God... and as far as my intelligence would permit, I find that high virtue to be pure disinterest, that is, detachment from creatures. Our Lord said to Martha 'Unum est necessarium', which is to say; to be untroubled and pure, one thing is necessary and that is disinterest.
The only way to find God, is to let go of God.
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.
Thomas Alva Edison
To dream anything that you want to dream, that is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything that you want to do, that is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself, to test your limits, that is the courage to succeed.
Bernard Edmonds
Ralph Waldo Emerson
You cannot do a kindness too soon, for you never know how soon it will be too late.
The only way to have a friend is to be one.
People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character.
The glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the spiritual inspiration that comes to one when you discover that someone else believes in you and is willing to trust you with a friendship.
Albert Einstein
I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him.
Self-pity gets you nowhere. One must have the adventurous daring to accept oneself as a bundle of possibilities and undertake the most interesting game in the world -- making the most of one's best.
Harry Emerson Fosdick
Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.
Benjamin Franklin
Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
Galbraith's Law
Eternity is not something that happens after you are dead. It's going on all the time. We're in it now.
Charlotte Perkins Gilman
It is so fatally easy to confuse an aesthetic appreciation of the spiritual life with the life itself - to dream that you have waked, washed, and dressed & then to find yourself still in bed.
From a letter by C.S. Lewis to Arthur Greeves
You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself.
Galileo
Mahatma Gandhi
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
The only tyrant I accept in this world is the still voice within.
I have learned through bitter experience the one supreme lesson to conserve my anger, and as heat conserved is transmuted into energy, even so our anger controlled can be transmuted into a power that can move the world.
When you make yourself into zero, your power becomes invincible.
Do not believe in telling people of one's faith, especially with a view to conversion. Faith must be lived, and when it is, it becomes self-propagating
Indira Gandhi
There are two kinds of people, those who do the work and those who take the credit. Try to be in the first group; there is less competition there.
You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist.
Kahlil Gibran
Trickery succeeds sometimes, but it always commits suicide.
To understand the heart and mind of a person, look not at what he has already achieved, but at what he aspires to.
Keep me away from the wisdom that does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
Andre Gide
Let everyone sweep in front of his own door and the whole world will be clean.
Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
If you take fire into your heart, your house is likely to burn.
Alyson's great grandmother
When in doubt, make a fool of yourself. There is a microscopically thin line between being brilliantly creative and acting like the most gigantic idiot on earth. So, what the hell, leap!
Cynthia Heimel
Elbert Hubbard
One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man.
Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive.
I wanted to change the world. But I have found that the only thing one can be sure of changing is oneself. Aldous Huxley
My goal is simple. It is complete understanding of the universe, why it as it is and why it exists as all.
Stephen Hawking
The easy path of aging is to become a thick-skinned, unbudging curmudgeon, a battle-ax. To grow soft and sweet is the harder way.
James Hillman
Although gold dust is precious, when it gets in your eyes, it obstructs your vision.
Hsi-Tang
Dag Hammerskjvld
The longest journey of any person is the journey inward.
Do not seek death. Death will find you. But seek the road which makes death a fulfillment.
We confide in our strength, without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.
Carl Gustav Jung
Aristotle
Flatter me, and I may not believe you. Criticize me, and I may not like you. Ignore me, and I may not forgive you. Encourage me, and I may not forget you.
William Arthur
We are here on earth to do good for others. What the others are here for, I don't know. W. H. Auden
Learn to self-conquest, persevere thus for a time, and you will perceive very clearly the advantage which you gain from it.
St. Teresa of Avila
It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
Alfred Adler
The scars you acquire by exercising courage will never make you feel inferior.
D.A. Battista
Big egos are big shields for lots of empty space.
Diana Black
The greatest dangers of liberty lurk in insidious encroachment of men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.
Louis D. Brandeis
We say we waste time, but that is impossible. We waste ourselves.
Alice Bloch
William Blake
You never know what is enough until you know what is more than enough.
It is easier to forgive an enemy than to forgive a friend.
None will improve your lot if you yourself do not.
Bertolt Brecht
Take away love, and our earth is a tomb.
Robert Browning
Bad habits are like chains that are too light to feel until they are too heavy to carry.
Warren Buffet
You can make more friends in two months by becoming interested in other people than you can in two years by trying to get other people interested in you.
Dale Carnegie
He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave.
Andrew Carnegie
Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance.
G. K. Chesterton
In detachment lies the wisdom of uncertainty... in the wisdom of uncertainty lies the freedom from our past, from the known, which is the prison of past conditioning. And in our willingness to step into the unknown, the field of all possibilities, we surrender ourselves to the creative mind that orchestrates the dance of the universe.
Deepak Chopra
Sir Winston Churchill
People stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened.
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
There are no uninteresting things, only uninterested people.
Gilbert K. Chesterton
There are two types of people: Those who come into a room and say, "Well, here I am!", and those who say, "Ah, there you are".
Frederick L. Collins
Confucius
Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
When you see a good man, try to emulate his example, and when you see a bad man, search yourself for his faults.
It is not the failure of others to appreciate your abilities that should trouble you, but rather your failure to appreciate theirs.
James Cowan
When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself.
Wayne Dyer
Use what talent you possess: the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except those that sang best. Henry Van Dyke
Meister Eckhart
I have sought earnestly and with great diligence that good and high virtue by which man may draw closest to God... and as far as my intelligence would permit, I find that high virtue to be pure disinterest, that is, detachment from creatures. Our Lord said to Martha 'Unum est necessarium', which is to say; to be untroubled and pure, one thing is necessary and that is disinterest.
The only way to find God, is to let go of God.
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.
Thomas Alva Edison
To dream anything that you want to dream, that is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything that you want to do, that is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself, to test your limits, that is the courage to succeed.
Bernard Edmonds
Ralph Waldo Emerson
You cannot do a kindness too soon, for you never know how soon it will be too late.
The only way to have a friend is to be one.
People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character.
The glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the spiritual inspiration that comes to one when you discover that someone else believes in you and is willing to trust you with a friendship.
Albert Einstein
I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him.
Self-pity gets you nowhere. One must have the adventurous daring to accept oneself as a bundle of possibilities and undertake the most interesting game in the world -- making the most of one's best.
Harry Emerson Fosdick
Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.
Benjamin Franklin
Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
Galbraith's Law
Eternity is not something that happens after you are dead. It's going on all the time. We're in it now.
Charlotte Perkins Gilman
It is so fatally easy to confuse an aesthetic appreciation of the spiritual life with the life itself - to dream that you have waked, washed, and dressed & then to find yourself still in bed.
From a letter by C.S. Lewis to Arthur Greeves
You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself.
Galileo
Mahatma Gandhi
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
The only tyrant I accept in this world is the still voice within.
I have learned through bitter experience the one supreme lesson to conserve my anger, and as heat conserved is transmuted into energy, even so our anger controlled can be transmuted into a power that can move the world.
When you make yourself into zero, your power becomes invincible.
Do not believe in telling people of one's faith, especially with a view to conversion. Faith must be lived, and when it is, it becomes self-propagating
Indira Gandhi
There are two kinds of people, those who do the work and those who take the credit. Try to be in the first group; there is less competition there.
You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist.
Kahlil Gibran
Trickery succeeds sometimes, but it always commits suicide.
To understand the heart and mind of a person, look not at what he has already achieved, but at what he aspires to.
Keep me away from the wisdom that does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
Andre Gide
Let everyone sweep in front of his own door and the whole world will be clean.
Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
If you take fire into your heart, your house is likely to burn.
Alyson's great grandmother
When in doubt, make a fool of yourself. There is a microscopically thin line between being brilliantly creative and acting like the most gigantic idiot on earth. So, what the hell, leap!
Cynthia Heimel
Elbert Hubbard
One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man.
Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive.
I wanted to change the world. But I have found that the only thing one can be sure of changing is oneself. Aldous Huxley
My goal is simple. It is complete understanding of the universe, why it as it is and why it exists as all.
Stephen Hawking
The easy path of aging is to become a thick-skinned, unbudging curmudgeon, a battle-ax. To grow soft and sweet is the harder way.
James Hillman
Although gold dust is precious, when it gets in your eyes, it obstructs your vision.
Hsi-Tang
Dag Hammerskjvld
The longest journey of any person is the journey inward.
Do not seek death. Death will find you. But seek the road which makes death a fulfillment.
We confide in our strength, without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.
Carl Gustav Jung
Friday, March 13, 2009
Thursday, March 12, 2009
Are We Our Brother's Keeper?
I think, when Cain asked God, "Am I my brother's keeper?" The answer was and is yes.Here are two sparkling works from a couple of the Magic Viners.
Hope you will weigh in with your thoughts after you enjoy the simple and startling words of Slemay and Spaceyhippie.
Enjoy, Em
By Spaciehippie, NV
achieve
accountability
ya wanna call yerselves
a shiny society
otherwise
if yer in any position o authority
n not doin that, see
even jus not totally
yer feedin off that potential in anything
parta the solution v parta the problem
how much u contributing
to either category
anytime u have monopolies
or anythingy even approaching oligarchies etc
something's impeding competition, n so confidence
that's jus the way it works out mathematically
find a balance, or yer jus playin wit equations
in ancient villages
n for millions o years
there were only a coupla dozen or so
people for anybody to really ever possibly know
food, shelter, clothing, education, health care
basic staples o survival came free wit livin
that's how we evolved up, as creatures
that's what we're kinda used to
take any o those thingies
outta the equation
...somebody
...finds that
interesting
it's not a handout to get a splint for a broken leg
it's not sociliasm to invest in yer fellow citizens
actually it's a
requirement
who what why where when how etc...
woudl that seem like not a good idea
A poem by Slemay, NV
We sit silent who should not silent be.
We fold our arms and shake our worldly heads
When wicked men softly and so silently
Cut the throats of children in their beds.
We wait while men in suits decide the fates
Of millions with one cut of oily cards;
But we are not the ones with empty plates
So we can simply send our best regards.
We wonder why our sullen silence sends
The wide world a signal of serenity;
Why hope cannot for silence make amends,
Nor goodwill set a single person free.
For should we admit an unpleasant fact,
What we fear most is this: that we must act.
Wednesday, March 11, 2009
Please, Lets Come Together at VineHaven
Hi, this is emersontwain,
Many of our cherished friends have left a blog site we will not name, because of meanness, troll behavior and sabotage. Although, in the past few days the Admin has assured us all is well, I have my doubts.
Many of us have found the forum a support and a lifeline. Many of us do not have many other outlets to good stimulating conversation,
a. friendly support
b. a way to continue learning
c. peaking and satisfying our curiosity
I am heartsick and lonely for those of you who have given up. You are missed. To those of us still clinging to the old site, I hope offering the VineHaven will give you an opportunity to safely Post and Comment. Please, the more the merrier!
There will be no advertising, therefore No temptation to scam the system for a buck. Hope that helps. Also, as moderator, If I am not on line, I will be there at least three times a day to check the posts and comments for troll crusts. If anyone wants to reach me in the meantime or for various other personal reasons, or complaints etc. Please use ladieswithapast@gmail.com (email address) emersontwain
Many of our cherished friends have left a blog site we will not name, because of meanness, troll behavior and sabotage. Although, in the past few days the Admin has assured us all is well, I have my doubts.
Many of us have found the forum a support and a lifeline. Many of us do not have many other outlets to good stimulating conversation,
a. friendly support
b. a way to continue learning
c. peaking and satisfying our curiosity
I am heartsick and lonely for those of you who have given up. You are missed. To those of us still clinging to the old site, I hope offering the VineHaven will give you an opportunity to safely Post and Comment. Please, the more the merrier!
There will be no advertising, therefore No temptation to scam the system for a buck. Hope that helps. Also, as moderator, If I am not on line, I will be there at least three times a day to check the posts and comments for troll crusts. If anyone wants to reach me in the meantime or for various other personal reasons, or complaints etc. Please use ladieswithapast@gmail.com (email address) emersontwain
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